请教云山水月或者蛇王 Ha ling Peak

billzhao

ha ling peak翻译成海林峰吗？从老云的帖子里面看时这样的，但是为什么不是哈灵峰呢？

另外，有没有资料能够证明这个人的原名叫什么？肯定他的姓不是ha 或者 海吧？
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FrankSoccer

I have no idea to your question. Here are some pictures and more inforamtion. . H! i5 s( c% [: t1 ?4 E) y% y 5 K" q$ H7 M. DHa Ling Peak ' u8 b- F% o0 ]+ K, R                                                                2408m (7900ft.)                                        Located in the Bow River Valley; a peak at the northwest end of Mount Lawrence Grassi; southeast buttress of White Man Gap. Kananaskis Park, Alberta                                                         Latitude 51; 03; 30 Longitude 115; 24; 00, Topo map 82O/03 6 D) R/ K  L8 Y9 W$ D3 d8 e1 H/ ^                                                                                                                Panorama viewpoint: Harvie Heights. Can be seen from Highways 1 and 742                                                                                                                                        9 K; g, `! @/ b  v                                         Named in 1998. Ha Ling: (A railway worker who won a bet in the Canmore area by climbing the peak and returning to the Bow Valley in five and one half hours.) Official name. Other names Chinaman's Peak; The Beehive;                                         + y' l" U; F4 P6 u. v/ Z9 _0 M: `	Photo: The summit of Mount Lawrence Grassi (left) and Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A just west of the Park Gates                                                                 More photos
% K4 V5 ?' d5 u0 T3 f                                                Other Information ( N% D2 l  G+ V+ T/ I- H                                                                                                                                        Photo: Ha Ling Peak from Highway #1A near Canmore / g6 J4 X/ v3 Y9 g" |8 t! q0 ^                                                                                                                Together with Ship's Prow[url=], Ha Ling Peak is a named high point on the more massive[/url]Mount Lawrence Grassi[url=](Ehagay Nakoda) that lies between[/url]The Three Sisters[url=]and[/url]Mount Rundle[url=]. This mountain was formerly officially named Chinaman's Peak. Although not made official until 1980, the mountain was named in 1886 in honour of Ha Ling, a Chinese cook at a mining camp. According to the Medicine Hat News of October 24, 1896, the previous weekend had seen a feat of remarkable mountain climbing near the town of Canmore.  In the “Canmore Cullings” column in that issue, it was reported that Ha Ling, a cook from China who worked at the mining camps, won a fifty-dollar bet. He bet some of his co-workers that he could climb to the top of the peak, plant a flag, and return to the town in ten hours. Not only did he accomplish the task he did it in five and a half hours. Following pressure from the Chinese Community, the name was removed in 1997 and officially renamed Ha Ling Peak the following year. 1 M: M0 q8 k8 N$ K* D : X! R  ]3 ~8 x, M: }6 G) X* K5 \However this may not be the end of the story. Writing in the October 4th issue of the Banff newspaper, Lorraine Widmer-Carson reported that Brian Dawson's book, "Moon Cakes in Gold Country -From China to the Canadian Plains," tells a different tale but one that still involves a Chinese cook and the bet. According to Dawson, it wasn't Ha Ling but Lee Poon (a cook at the Oskaloosa Hotel) who climbed the mountain and the bet was for $10. # r- g0 j& k( h" ~# H/ g# qBoth stories involve a Chinese individual who was a cook and who climbed the mountain to win a bet. But what should the name of the mountain be? " U  l8 D* p1 U ( g- L9 c; b& Y. M5 z. }7 M/ X[/url][url=]*A hiking route to the summit is described in Gillean Daffern’s[/url]Kananaskis Country Trail Guide Volume 1.
Scrambling Routes                                        An easy ascent via southwest slopes. Overlooking Canmore, this ascent is short, simple and, since trail improvements, much less steep. It is a favourite pilgrimage of locals; paragliders sometimes use it as a launch when the wind cooperates. A higher adjacent summit (2685 m) to the southeast, now called Mount Lawrence Grassi, may also be reached if you're good at routefinding. Ha Ling Peak is a popular season starter and should pose no problem from mid-May on Kane, Scrambles in the Canadian Rockies page 81

billzhao

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4 @7 w! m) A0 p7 `! h+ @9 i谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。

FrankSoccer

It is said to be the best trail in Canada.

kingsnake

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3 o/ I8 t0 D2 a: U9 f' A這個源出於 當年有個叫 淩海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
6 n& @* R. W4 W) `) J之前，因為不知道他的名字，又叫做  Chinaman's Peak.

billzhao

這個源出於 當年有個叫 林海的中國 鐵路小伙子，在 5 小時 30 分内，打賭地完成了爬上了這座高山又下來的。
- q6 J) H) C- _, Y之前，因為不知道他的名字，又叫做  Chinaman's Peak.
' b& t$ h2 b: q+ Y7 \! W. @1 skingsnake 发表于 2011-10-3 10:29

除了云山水月的帖子里面提到他的名字叫林海之外，还有其他来源吗？
那么，Ha ling 姓林名海？
中文翻译成叫林海峰，海林峰，哈灵峰？

( P2 t( M, p/ s, s+ {2 d另外广东话把lin读成ling，hai读成ha？
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多谢！

放风儿

谢谢frank，这些资料不错。什么时候去爬一爬吧，听说是个很Popular的hiking trail，同时也纪念一下这些为太平洋铁路做出杰出贡献的华人劳工。
8 D7 m, `0 d* `# P* lbillzhao 发表于 2011-10-3 11:09

实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。我谁虽没爬过haling peak，但爬过旁边的Mount Lawrence Grassi，所以知道此山不算难。

billzhao

凌海吗？

billzhao

实际上haling peak是一个入门级的scrambling 线路，首登是个老华裔铁路工因打赌登上去的。那时候他用时5小时，现在相信很多人都可以快得多。另外虽说是scrambling线路，但是属于很容易的入门级。
0 v1 ]& z; S1 x- P5 Z放风儿 发表于 2011-10-3 10:39

, @4 u3 b+ u, w1 V7 ?+ |* k, D入门级更好了，

billzhao

云山水月

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！

) \! s* N" t& y他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。
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4 J. g# X# u! [! S( t  G6 u& f7 ZHa Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的，还有海莲峰的，这就差得比较远。我不会广东话，所以只好猜测这个Ha，其实是姓“夏”，Ling，可能就是“岭”，或者“灵”“陵”“翎”，这个就无从判断了。

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0 e8 K. e& O9 R/ a/ f7 }3 M/ u9 P你这个问题，或者马健威会有标准答案吧！呵呵。

billzhao

1886年的时候，加拿大的华人，遑论中文原名，能留下英文的名字已经算是奇迹了吧！

他们没有政治地位，没有经济地位，他们只是劳工，如同奴隶一般的劳工。
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' x- l; i2 u  Z1 NHa Ling Peak，很多人就叫做哈灵峰。也有翻作海岭峰的 ...
云山水月 发表于 2011-10-3 23:22

謝謝，有道理。確實留下英文名字已經不錯了，只是好奇而已。

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