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对于省教育厅新出台的学生性别选择的指导纲要,需要你的声音。

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发表于 2016-2-14 11:51 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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今年1月13日,省教育厅出台了Creating Learning Environments that Respect Diverse Sexual Orientations, Gender Identities and Gender Expressions,要求全省各school board 在今年3月底前出台各自具体的实施细则。" E- I* j0 t3 Y9 z
这个指导纲要的英文版可参见:https://informedalbertans.wordpress.com/aboutguidelines/
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 11:52 | 显示全部楼层
这个纲要对于家长和学校的影响是什么?( @. r, C  Z7 M& O2 o0 L( d" R/ P
First, note the wording at the beginning of the section: “For the purpose of accommodating the diverse needs of students and staff in a school, an individual’s self-identification is the sole measure of their sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression” (emphasis mine).& r8 h* u# h! `9 D" g8 m
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I would take this to mean that anyone at any time is within their rights to decide, for themselves, that they identify with whatever gender they choose. There are no constraints, age restrictions or limits placed on the statement.6 k( @. }+ B. z  B3 v- X' v+ X
学生可在任何时候自由选择、主张、宣称自己的性别,而且这是唯一的评判标准/方式。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 11:56 | 显示全部楼层
For example, would it be a concern that your Grade 1 girl could find a Grade 6 boy in the female washroom or change-room if he decides to self-identify as a female that day?  Given the wording of the current guidelines, the Grade 6 boy would have a protected right to be there, no matter whether he is there legitimately (as a biological male who gender identifies as female) or whether he decides to use the guise of gender identification that particular day as female for whatever other purposes he chooses. The fact is, if a staff member would question his purposes, could he easily and justifiably accuse them of discrimination and having his protected rights violated?  Is it really worth the risk to see how far K-12 students could abuse this “freedom”?  x" M8 a4 S* u, _8 F( Z. y- K
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例如:你一年级的女儿有一天会在女厕所或女更衣室中见到一个6年级的男生,这仅仅是因为他当天宣称自己是女性,而如果老师对他这种行为有疑问的话,老师可能面临歧视的指控。
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发表于 2016-2-14 14:50 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
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估计快换政府
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发表于 2016-2-14 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
太自由了,有一天偶打算买耗子,只要宣称自己有10米林就可以了吗?
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发表于 2016-2-14 15:10 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这是个弱智的政府
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发表于 2016-2-14 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
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    能不能告诉我们,我们能做什么?
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发表于 2016-2-14 17:15 | 显示全部楼层
西行漫记 发表于 2016-2-14 16:588 _9 \: ]' H6 |% L5 j( d- b' x
能不能告诉我们,我们能做什么?
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同问:我们能做什么,具体的表示反对的方法和步骤。
$ L% L! j0 G4 F! A7 g另:很好奇,省选选NDP的绝大多数对此是什么样的看法?或者,到目前为止,选NDP的绝大多数有多少已经改弦易辙了?
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发表于 2016-2-14 17:37 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jsun 于 2016-2-14 17:40 编辑 & X, _7 L3 G9 e* d( I; w0 f

2 [9 D& h* Q$ Q9 i) F( [" n; m6 s对那些希望改变性别的变态学生可以做变性手术。对另外那些每天想改变性别的家伙需做生殖器官切除手术,变成无性人。教育厅长想去女厕所女浴室就让他做太监。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 17:55 | 显示全部楼层
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谢谢各位关注,因为本人英文水平有限,我没有一字一句地阅读Guidelines原文,引用的是Theresa女士的BLOG,她曾是一名学校老师,她在她的BLOG中详细说明了作为家长、学校老师对于这个Guidelines不科学、不严谨的质疑。
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接下来的贴子会附上Theresa女士提议的作法,即“你的声音”。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:02 | 显示全部楼层
在Post她的提议前再附上一个说明,那就是也许会有人认为:虽然学生有自主权Claims宣称自己的性别,但他/她若能用专用的厕所和更衣室,也不会对他人造成影响。
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# F' m) ~& M# ~: qthe section about washrooms and change-rooms from pages 9-10 of the provincial guidelines document. It says that any person can use the "washroom and change-room facilities that are congruent with their gender identity. This applies during school time and school related activities on and off school property (such as field trips and athletic events)". * r0 F# f0 Z. {) o  @
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One of the suggestions for safety is to use non-gendered, single-stall washrooms (although many schools may not have these washrooms and could not afford to pay for them).  However, the fourth point in this section also says that, "The use of a non-gendered, single-stall washroom is a matter of choice for students, staff, volunteers or visiting family, and [b]not a compulsory requirement."  This means that no one needs to use the single stall washrooms if they don't want to.
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学生可自主CLaim宣称自己的性别,同时拥有自主选择厕所(更衣室)的自主权,即他愿意上哪个是他的权利,他人无权质疑、干涉。学校可设立无性别厕所(更衣室),但不可强求这类学生使用。/ y  [% n. N8 z' W
而且这个条款不仅适用于学校,还包括与学校活动有关的场所,如Field  Trip,体育运动会等等。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
如果你也认为省教育厅这个Guidelines相当不严谨,将会对我们的孩子的成长(三观)的建立产生不良影响、指导,并有可能严重影响孩子们的学校生活,请发出你的声音:
* W9 W& j" d3 r" m  E此处是Theresa女士BLog中的建议:https://informedalbertans.wordpress.com/how-to-respond/
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6 R9 i* Y$ k' I/ Q2 Z1.打电话给省政府,省长办公室电话(780)427-2251
2 R, W# ?! _0 E" Z- tPhone the Provincial Government.  The Office of the Premier’s phone number is 780 427 2251. I called and asked to be transferred to the Office of the Education Minister. The person there was able to listen to my concerns and said they will be recorded and given to the appropriate person. It was surprisingly easy. I’m not sure who exactly will receive the comments, but hopefully if more people phone, concerns about the issue will be more difficult to ignore.
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Email the Minister of Education, David Eggen, with your concerns and questions: education.minister@gov.ab.ca
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3.Contact your local school board and elected school board trustee 理事to ask questions and share your concerns. (抱歉,我不知道school board的准确翻译是什么,哪位给指教?)联系他们向他们提出你的问题,并可要求他们向提供正在或已草拟好的具体实施方案细则。
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8 P+ y/ K: K; L6 k, h* q' u6 y' S4.让更多的人知道这件事,引起更多的重视,集结更多的声音让政府听到。Theresa女士在她的BLOG中还提到,即使非阿省人也应该警惕,因为一些省目前还未有这类Guidelines出台,但随着新政府的上台,可能类似的情况会在其他省也出现。  E$ ^& O$ l  `& m
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5.Attend local school board meetings.
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
鉴于英文非我的母语,为确保我能以一种科学合理的方式发出我的声音,我联系了THeresa女士,请她提供了一系列的模板,供大家参考,也可节省大家的时间精力。: n8 P4 a8 r- F3 s
1。 facebook。
9 Q  r3 \, q5 A, }她在Facebook开设了一个Public Page,只要有Facebook的账号就可以https://www.facebook.com/events/712147768887832/
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:21 | 显示全部楼层
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我直接把内容COpy来:
) D! n5 Q' a% H7 |5 l5 qWhen it comes to requiring LGBTQ school board policies in Alberta, it is time for a new approach.
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Children should be taught that we must show respect to all people. Period. I believe that as soon as we begin to qualify the “all”, we risk drawing lines, defining categories and creating labels and division. Children must learn that a right to respect comes alongside a responsibility to show it.
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We are diverse in a multitude of ways and our diversity gives us an opportunity to grow and learn from each other. Belonging and acceptance are nurtured when we help students look for what connects us, instead of divides us. A goal of our education system should be to encourage the development of citizens who are able to sit down with anyone, no matter how seemingly different from them, and be able to find some commonality in their human experience that connects them. ) B% g9 A6 ]: u6 }, s
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Based on these beliefs, it is my suggestion that school boards not be required to create and differentiate specific policies along lines of sexual orientation and gender identity.
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5 t2 c" G( B" S3 E% {2 y5 i7 J: IInstead, the provincial government should ensure all school boards have a policy in place that helps ensure their schools are welcoming, caring, respectful and safe learning environments for ALL students. Period. Furthermore, instead of dealing with specific accommodations for the issue of sexual orientation and gender identity on a policy level (i.e. pronouns, washroom/change room use, participation in sports teams, etc.), these accommodations and supports should be offered on a case-by-case basis, in consultation among all concerned parties, including the student, guardians, school staff and medical professionals. 3 }# ~4 |$ E* Y; G: A6 ?% O

6 @2 c; G$ Y* h/ k; `% J8 QThis approach is consistent with the procedures already existing in schools to provide individualized supports and accommodations to a tremendous variety of emotional, physical, cognitive, social or learning needs that support vulnerable, at-risk students in our schools every day. + u# D9 H& D+ J4 D# C

' T" N  j* t& ~9 M$ D9 NFor example, consider the number of students diagnosed with autism, depression, anxiety, oppositional defiant disorder, mild cognitive disabilities, attention deficit disorder, learning disabilities, those with hearing impairments, mobility challenges, etc.
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These ALL represent populations of students who are vulnerable and at-risk, yet school staff strive to effectively, compassionately and sensitively deal with providing supports every single day, without specific school board policies in place for each of these struggling groups.
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& K' o; y7 t9 f& W$ L& }: kSchool boards should ensure that bullying and discrimination on any grounds should be dealt with promptly, with clearly communicated and consistent consequences.
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Respect for everyone should continue to be an expectation in all our schools, and in our society.5 K  i4 b) X+ N$ a1 D% a- N- `

+ `' P2 K: O- R' F如果你同意以上观点,请定信给以下三人,邮件内容可直接拷贝上面这段文字,邮件标题为:It is time for a new approach.* R) g# L5 c1 f% T' A; ?- D$ o
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If you agree with the above statement, please copy and paste the above text into an email with your name and send it to the following three people, using the subject line: It is time for a new approach.. ^+ y1 ?" f% a1 H$ V7 h' R5 Y4 J
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Minister of Education, David Eggen
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Premier of Alberta, Rachel Notley
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Leader of the Official Opposition, Brian Jean) @& |+ R& ]& t( J" }7 Y
fortmcmurray.conklin@assembly.ab.ca
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:29 | 显示全部楼层
还可以选用她提供的Easy mail模板给有关人士写信,发出我们的声音。0 `8 o( O; m1 c" G7 _/ L- g* Z
5份模板在下方链接内,使用这个模板有另外一个特别之处,你可通过输入你的post code来查找你的当地MLA,系统将自动生成MLA的邮件地址,并将邮件抄送相关人员。
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& k5 P; \' O4 IARPA Canada urges the following action:
; U9 v* P( ^( ?& u6 T1) Send one of five EasyMail letters here. It will go to your MLA, the Education Minister, the Premier and the Leader of the Opposition.4 J4 i0 |% o$ y- V( n: ]4 B
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5 份模板在这个链接页面的最下方。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-14 18:32 | 显示全部楼层
如果你还有问题,想更全面地了解整个事件,也可直接跟Theresa女士联系:
5 N4 h: Y; C' J. t( fInformed Albertans <informedalbertans@gmail.com>
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也可把问题Post在这儿供大家讨论,我可作为桥梁与Theresa女士联系,获取她的解释。' I$ t  u$ p5 c# P8 ^
她还在给我的回复中提到Public school与Catholic school在此事件上所处的不同阶段,我将找到具体内容Post here.
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发表于 2016-2-14 20:23 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
选 NDP 的早就躲起来了
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蓝颜知己 发表于 2016-2-14 18:217 J. O, w$ _" M, |
我直接把内容COpy来:/ g- Q( `' j+ S& C( Z$ s
When it comes to requiring LGBTQ school board policies in Alberta, it is time  ...
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"Children should be taught that we must show respect to all people."不只是尊重其他性别,也应该尊重‘男性女性’吧。
8 B$ v9 S- v5 R( j- j+ k6 C) d虽然有无性别厕所,可是‘不能强迫’其他性别使用无性别厕所。所以无性别厕所不解决任何问题。
+ h* h' E3 z; b% R! U! z另外students diagnosed with autism, depression, anxiety, oppositional defiant disorder不应该跟其他性别等同。无性别人士估计一定不同意的,这是显然认为‘男性,女性’才是没病的,那些人都是有病的。# X1 x" n5 @6 f" J
Respect for everyone should continue to be an expectation in all our schools, and in our society.应该也包括尊重正常男女。
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发表于 2016-2-14 23:47 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2016-2-14 23:47 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
NDP真是能搞
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发表于 2016-2-14 23:48 | 显示全部楼层
不知道反对有没有用?
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发表于 2016-2-15 03:23 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
有懂得人组织游行反对吗?就像农场主们最近游行反对有关法案一样?如果有请通知大家。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-15 10:23 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
逍遥客 发表于 2016-2-14 23:48) s% D) D4 u4 A7 Q" C+ _& q
不知道反对有没有用?

" W& j, [( f# e没有任何人可以预见呼吁的结果,没有人可以保证呼吁的结果,我们能做的就是发出我们的声音,让政客们听到。
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发表于 2016-2-15 16:13 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
找个人组织游行吧,那样比较看的见,动静大点
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发表于 2016-2-15 17:27 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
NDP一定下台,然后又40年上不了台
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发表于 2016-2-15 22:06 | 显示全部楼层
蓝颜知己 发表于 2016-2-14 11:56
4 S& @$ W, U5 z/ WFor example, would it be a concern that your Grade 1 girl could find a Grade 6 boy in the female was ...
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发表于 2016-2-29 11:03 | 显示全部楼层
没有非死不可,也没有推特,咱就没法加入这抗议行列啦?
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发表于 2016-2-29 11:15 | 显示全部楼层
你得组织实际上的集会或游行,这种网上的“抗议”成本最低,不过最无效。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-29 16:55 | 显示全部楼层
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abear 发表于 2016-2-29 11:15
" ?  _- g4 E) U你得组织实际上的集会或游行,这种网上的“抗议”成本最低,不过最无效。

9 }" K/ g' G# |+ d2 \发起人不是我,精力有限,我只是个跟随者。
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-2-29 16:55 | 显示全部楼层
yanzhewuzui 发表于 2016-2-29 11:03
! b/ K7 f( J, T5 o. P! S! a4 l* J没有非死不可,也没有推特,咱就没法加入这抗议行列啦?
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可以,你仍可以发出你的声音。按这帖子前面提到的,向有关人士发电邮,说明你的立场、意见。
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