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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10 8 Q: j9 X, x7 W
嗯,很多牛人。的确是。8 A% H2 q5 p0 @1 L, m0 o

' ]6 |/ n8 F1 R* [/ `8 r- _当然,也有混的啦

( K. a7 o' d& l( E1 D  F. s我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
1 G; z* ~2 X9 y" Pmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
9 f" k' z7 C" t4 i3 hcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
" c1 ^* v4 |# ~. W8 K7 W$ ^7 L# _I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave$ d1 B, X# k' y2 v! \- I  K% ^
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32 8 t0 D; ~7 |! U* k
还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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5 v7 A" h! N% X$ `3 y' l$ B# j2 c你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

4 i# E0 x, X7 n3 XIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
( s. A0 }7 G: X0 J- x( ]6 CNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

; r2 N- \$ V/ X1 |其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 0 k" |1 a+ r. I) K
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

! b2 `  t( B* I' {) H2 A, u6 ~( Lno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
5 [6 x9 i1 X  X- m5 y8 QI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.+ b( k; `# R# |
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
- m2 V3 j5 R/ q% wask insurance company pay, no me!
! y7 {2 _' ^! I! HWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43 : v+ y# e5 O. E- N/ E
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,; B7 J$ T. R* V. ^% N
I like vwry much, it i ...

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; Z* O! K" t9 I7 c& F& GContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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7 u, l( u3 w) i9 T/ W0 M' u而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?( j" ~6 T7 k. d  E( C" a
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
# h0 b. ~% T0 U1 z& b# e' ]6 x你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

% Z9 m/ l( q5 ~' eclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
0 K4 M2 K5 ]  f- Gevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened0 ~9 [, E/ x1 |+ q. @1 t
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.) g9 Y% T' |% r/ Z/ e
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.4 h9 K5 i6 [% x$ W8 {" c6 t$ M/ K
how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
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( ~2 D7 L3 C8 r! q( SContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

, N% k( I: q7 N四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 3 b! k3 k7 z6 a: M1 ]/ k
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

6 }4 B$ o+ B8 N. q1 w9 b姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace' c" O' @9 c( h9 T$ _, Q" B
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
. ]! s) y  ]/ B! ea single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
- G  ^% `: M; X( I& \come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario. 6 L1 p. z, Z' Q* P6 C4 r2 h0 N: q
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.: Q  T( E' G' u+ g
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 ; N" ]; L4 M# @6 X
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

" N" ]5 K  @6 y% @! b. `0 D我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.5 V/ x8 n4 r$ ~* s

) V2 y  z' \) Y" D: e洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.2 {, }% z. B4 |. _0 m5 l
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
大型搬家
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.$ h& _6 {/ ^. Q/ ?
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose; _2 Y. k0 E- e, O$ Q; |
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving5 {* x$ ^5 r6 x# n9 o1 q
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑
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0 z5 K  Y. Q4 ^5 E- }; P合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
8 C0 N3 |/ K, ^% a3 c! m我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。
; g) H% i0 r5 i' g) s这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。
  K, ~9 Q! j1 z印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。6 q' n( J( X% ~- `6 p7 M% q
世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。
5 t% `. ^. K9 @* h当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
+ H+ h) C+ G7 Z* z你还是没有理解我的话.3 x- }2 s& K1 r, ?+ L
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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1 s: x3 u2 d; y- U5 N3 Z" IThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,- F( D/ |! P0 {/ U
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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2 X, q- v. I/ E: YDental Benefits Summary:# E4 n3 Z4 r3 a  `
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
4 O; p8 M: R1 w4 r: H6 n* _        Basic                 100%
. d( U/ s9 H2 X  u( _' Z1 ]6 c        Endodontics                 100%
# j3 m7 p1 a6 ?  A! g9 J        Periodontics                 100%" b1 [( ?( h- [
        Preventative                 100%
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9 z# `6 a/ U, m- D/ V" U5 ~        Global Medical Assistance         Covered3 {! ~. I) E) x+ }1 `) u
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发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
3 i% I. ~3 \0 Y0 h- P4 ~These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,* H4 @6 \( d3 f/ f
because  ...

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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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5 G3 B8 Q1 m4 R- F$ e- R9 {) w至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。) D$ _: g! s& m7 G

. f. o3 t9 H) i. y所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
" F, H% U( R, q9 a成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 ! h3 N$ u" s0 w4 b, L) X
谢谢你啊.8 ]7 D; U  `  e
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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I will, thanks!
4 I8 ~3 A) R5 f* e8 W# cI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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