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合同工和正式工,如果最后收入相等,工资比例应该是多少?

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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10 ) J- b" n: Q& o" [- A8 g
嗯,很多牛人。的确是。$ H* n6 g, e8 e! E& v/ z

) b" ^, U7 u' `9 @& f# [& k3 w当然,也有混的啦
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我看到的合同工还都有些本事,大小之分,混子还没看到过。
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鲜花(345) 鸡蛋(0)
 楼主| 发表于 2013-3-14 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31 - @  ]3 Z$ }3 D% l6 E
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...
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那么你是没有试用期吗?
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:51 | 显示全部楼层
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
& J7 t' E1 ?( K$ e  F' \0 zcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
! |* \- s+ x3 y! s( L( W) C. II will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave3 l- ~6 M8 O9 N2 @1 \& O9 B
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队 追求完美
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
- [' |- ^1 b! D) Q* e2 s还有心态,运气。而往往心态会影响运气。! q! K' ^9 n4 H2 G

% ?( |( ~6 e4 Y  }你这里说的能力,不光是技能方面的能力,更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

) @$ L( o0 j/ z  C7 u' h& L" [. VIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51 9 z. T% F, }6 h4 x- J( j6 L8 X. A
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

- o- {$ Z( s) x6 g5 O! y其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33 ' v, A1 e. R% u' ~, ^7 `, Z; H5 A! \
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

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I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
# I; K" d5 S: ?; ITomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
0 ~" [  H8 \0 o+ _1 W$ Rask insurance company pay, no me! & ^$ B+ b3 {# t
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
自己做,啥都没有的路过!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
2 r3 M8 b. q  [6 R) C$ Nno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay," ~) {( @4 Q6 _( D% Q. @6 M/ o
I like vwry much, it i ...

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+ l/ ]/ n4 y5 ]% _) ^Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.9 w, Q! W! I( {/ s; Y+ `3 ?
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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, A( L- ]& E. U象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
% [3 E' z0 P1 m: B; n- O你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

$ [; Q8 U5 E( D, {classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
7 p9 O: z$ U$ j5 m$ Mevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
0 N- }, N6 G. aaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.8 L, ?, a+ W% Z* a
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
$ h1 i9 T* v! v" \- Z+ u* _how long, I don't know.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19 3 i5 k  l* L- K6 d
你还是没有理解我的话.3 U$ [6 X1 [, m9 p2 Y# Y8 g
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

0 A, F% M  @4 `+ B& D, s四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.
鲜花(1337) 鸡蛋(54)
发表于 2013-3-15 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
2 r* I# Q5 j3 l+ {) l; U; J7 T四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

, S4 }" |0 s2 q  D) R; p  n) w) I  v% s姐姐的这种情况,不适合做CONTRACTOR,真的!
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-15 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
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a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
2 [# G$ G! @, d. W. V+ t6 Zcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario. + p  J) A" W. k/ ~' A! J6 D. z% |
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
) d) e- q" i! T) X' ?: |+ ONow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
0 S. `$ m+ _- pThanks! lovely small girl!
鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-15 23:31 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14 7 n! Y3 a* t: V
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

3 j- I+ C6 ~$ f3 N- z3 H我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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/ [: u6 z1 q( }. h9 z洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.+ i8 B# A* s1 F2 l  }' \
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose7 o" f( }/ A$ L$ z1 F: H+ b0 ~- S  I
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving% q4 }( z2 @6 L/ B5 \
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 量子风水 于 2013-3-16 14:57 编辑 " g1 [1 N! ^# c% O7 j" e0 m' k

$ O8 m- G& E: r; F* S  ~* U% B0 K/ u合同工与非合同工,是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高,又不等钱用,合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一,已经到退休年龄,他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了,偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公,用网络通过安全卡来做测试。& C: C! e) B# \. r7 K
我在卡城的同事,也是喜欢做contractor,他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’,工资都不低于10万一年。
/ m0 E* w8 r: c# v- S, g" \/ y& [这与他的职业性质有关,他是做C#之类高级程序研发,这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他,我的专业面窄,是不宜做contractor,只能先后senior engineer/lead努力,以后再图其他。
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:50 | 显示全部楼层
同时与marie一样,在专业领域有相似成功,也曾经长期单身的女性,但即有不同的处世方式,并且应用得成功,而且福泽下一代,这种类型的女性,还是值得佩服与学习。8 i8 g: \! R1 V% g+ }5 H
印象深的一次,是她家邻居有个冷气机,夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家,而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然,邻居并非有意,这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功,邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉,噪音就很小,而夏天热天也没有几天,所以不伤和气。
: P! z4 W% b8 N% y$ L8 X世界不是你一个人的,即使是毛公这样的政治家,有杀子之仇恨的美国,都要建交,所以适当使用妥协,也是一种很好的途径。% E1 V$ W3 ^7 ^4 y
当生活中没有那么多纷争时,人生病的机会就少。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 14:56 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
本帖最后由 JoyceAccSG 于 2013-3-16 22:02 编辑
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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
* k1 a5 [0 J9 g. ~你还是没有理解我的话.1 l* ]  M# m* q3 ~
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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+ y( I2 D6 K  ?, @These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
1 i! K+ T& ]( c, @; k4 w) abecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please; J; T4 m8 n/ r# N, @

. j( a3 E7 Y2 G! M1 a3 M: Y' DDental Benefits Summary:6 K6 k3 w1 i) I, j8 Y
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
- N! u& d; G- W1 a  @1 U        Basic                 100%
3 K: G8 |/ u, L" h. d5 r( k; D        Endodontics                 100%0 J/ v% I# _+ R# n# ~# {
        Periodontics                 100%
+ W% R- t: Y( R9 s2 {* ^        Preventative                 100%8 U/ m6 M; B, t" v
       
& N6 D0 x1 ^5 l- ~. ^. }" U3 r        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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鲜花(123) 鸡蛋(0)
发表于 2013-3-16 15:20 | 显示全部楼层
marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
2 B% s+ V0 A( ^* ?These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,: Q  i, Z) c. ~% U5 P4 @
because  ...
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谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.( A% _5 h9 v  ?7 u

8 e6 p3 U2 q6 c  W% M) L好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.
鲜花(844) 鸡蛋(29)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
中国人口是13亿,而加拿大是3千万,这种差异,使得在加拿大,有几十人的公司,就是中型公司了;有几个工程师的团队,就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上,不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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所以,在这里,如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候,可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目;如果再联系另一家,就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径,这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
- {1 `; Z2 @0 t7 [成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件,不但有两个或以上的程序员,而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员,从而可能产生能量聚合,这就当然向这个方向努力。
鲜花(1005) 鸡蛋(11)
发表于 2013-3-16 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20 " L! _( T$ n; Q3 o: A# Y
谢谢你啊.
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8 b5 i% {* `6 j1 I" u' C+ x还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

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I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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