合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

) b" ^, U7 u' `9 @& f# [& k3 w当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
& J7 t' E1 ?( K$ e  F' \0 zcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
! |* \- s+ x3 y! s( L( W) C. II will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
- [' |- ^1 b! D) Q* e2 s还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

% ?( |( ~6 e4 Y  }你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

) @$ L( o0 j/ z  C7 u' h& L" [. VIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

- o- {$ Z( s) x6 g5 O! y其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

% o7 h  {% f8 l8 s; E) U9 N+ c) [no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
# I; K" d5 S: ?; ITomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
0 ~" [  H8 \0 o+ _1 W$ Rask insurance company pay, no me!
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
2 r3 M8 b. q  [6 R) C$ Nno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

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+ l/ ]/ n4 y5 ]% _) ^Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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, A( L- ]& E. U象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
% [3 E' z0 P1 m: B; n- O你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

$ [; Q8 U5 E( D, {classes, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
7 p9 O: z$ U$ j5 m$ Mevery 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
0 N- }, N6 G. aaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
$ h1 i9 T* v! v" \- Z+ u* _how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

0 A, F% M  @4 `+ B& D, s四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
2 r* I# Q5 j3 l+ {) l; U; J7 T四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

, S4 }" |0 s2 q  D) R; p  n) w) I  v% s姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
* c* @. I' ?7 r  N; [3 x* qarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
2 [# G$ G! @, d. W. V+ t6 Zcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
) d) e- q" i! T) X' ?: |+ ONow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
0 S. `$ m+ _- pThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

3 j- I+ C6 ~$ f3 N- z3 H我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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/ [: u6 z1 q( }. h9 z洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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$ O8 m- G& E: r; F* S  ~* U% B0 K/ u合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
/ m0 E* w8 r: c# v- S, g" \/ y& [这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
: P! z4 W% b8 N% y$ L8 X世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
* k1 a5 [0 J9 g. ~你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

+ y( I2 D6 K  ?, @These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
1 i! K+ T& ]( c, @; k4 w) abecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

. j( a3 E7 Y2 G! M1 a3 M: Y' DDental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
- N! u& d; G- W1 a  @1 U        Basic                 100%
3 K: G8 |/ u, L" h. d5 r( k; D        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
+ W% R- t: Y( R9 s2 {* ^        Preventative                 100%
       
& N6 D0 x1 ^5 l- ~. ^. }" U3 r        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
2 B% s+ V0 A( ^* ?These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

8 e6 p3 U2 q6 c  W% M) L好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。
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所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
- {1 `; Z2 @0 t7 [成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.
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8 b5 i% {* `6 j1 I" u' C+ x还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

4 H+ D. [/ c6 NI will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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