警告贴：大统华卖的越南产龙利鱼（BASA)

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:48

龙利鱼，唯一产地是越南的湄公河。那河是世界上污染最严重的河，没有之一。所有的工厂，化学公司都直接排放到那河里。然后那里的渔民为了增加产量，给鱼一直喂激素。
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我在多伦多的在华人超市里看到的basa标的中文名都叫龙利鱼。对basa、龙利鱼、sole的关系有些迷糊，所以查了一下。
好像basa属于鲶鱼（catfish），是越南湄公河水域的淡水鱼类。因为03年美国对越南鲶鱼进口的限制，改名叫basa。国内的鲶鱼一般在池塘污水养殖，以吃腐肉为食，有人也叫它作“塘尸鱼”。不知道越南的鲶鱼养殖方式跟中国是否一样。但据说湄公河高度污染，所以basa即使不是“塘尸鱼”，其被污染可能性也比较大。
又查了一下龙利鱼，好像是属于鲽鱼类，也就是比目鱼。这样看来，多伦多华人超市卖的basa不应该叫龙利鱼
sole是好几类扁平鱼的统称，有一些是属于比目鱼。看来sole叫龙利鱼更准确一些。不过，我在nofrill买的sole感觉不好吃，不如在walmart买的basa好吃。不知道costco的sole吃起来会不会好一点？

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:48

Europe News
Vietnam catfish farmers angered by French reports

May 19, 2008, 11:02 GMT

Hanoi - Vietnamese fishing authorities are angry over French television reports and websites alleging that Vietnamese catfish, known in Europe as pangassius or panga, are contaminated with pollution, antibiotics or hormones, an official at the Vietnamese Association of Seafood Exporters and Producers (VASEP) said Monday.

Two televised reports critical of the Vietnamese pangassius farming industry have been picked up widely by French food and health websites. VASEP says the television reports and websites fabricate food safety issues in order to keep Vietnamese imports out of French markets.

'In a battle to win market share, many people will slander each other,' said Nguyen Huu Dung, deputy chairman of VASEP. 'These websites are just reporting wrong ideas.'

European environmental and food safety organizations largely say concerns over the safety of pangassius imports in Europe are misplaced. They say the fish are safe to eat but that more needs to be done to address the environmental sustainability of the industry.

'The European Union has a very good system for checking the quality of imported products,' said Flavio Corsin, an aquaculture advisor at the environmentalist organization WWF who works on the Vietnamese pangassius industry. 'I'm Italian, and when I go to Italy, I eat pangassius, because I know where it's coming from and I know that the process of checking it is good.'

The French reports include 'Saga of the Panga,' broadcast in 2007 on the television channel France 2, and 'What is a Panga?', broadcast on the cable channel M6. They focus on water pollution in the Mekong Delta, where the pangassius farming industry is concentrated, and on the use of antibiotics, and also note that the method for breeding the fish involves the use of a hormone isolated from the urine of pregnant women to stimulate females to produce eggs.

The reports provide no data for comparing pollution in the Mekong to that in European fisheries. While hormones are used on a few breeder females to stimulate egg production, they are not used in raising the fish who are harvested, and are thus not present in filets sold in supermarkets.

Corsin said antibiotics were no longer a problem in pangassius shipments to Europe, and that while Vietnamese fish sometimes failed EU safety inspections, fish harvested within the European Union sometimes failed as well.

WWF is leading negotiations between Vietnamese producers and European importers to establish certification procedures for sustainable pangassius farming. The standards would address issues such as biodiversity, chemicals and antibiotics, and social responsibility.

Commenters on the French websites worried about the provenance of an unfamiliar fish which only appeared in the European market within the last five years, and were anxious over issues such as globalization and chemicals.

But Vietnamese officials took the reports as an attempt to block the inroads made by Vietnamese fish on the French market.

A report in the newspaper Dau Tu on Monday quoted Truong Dinh Hoe, VASEP's general secretary, calling the reports 'an organized slanderous program aiming at damaging the prestige of Vietnamese tra and basa [pangassius] fish on the international market.'

Vietnam had no significant pangassius exports to the European Union before 2003. In 2007, Vietnam exported 3.75 billion dollars worth of seafood, including some 1.5 million tons of pangassius, with half of those exports going to the EU.

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:50

ZT:
买鱼柳一定要看英文名，不能看中文名。至于在什么店购买，我认为效果是一样的。越新鲜价格越贵，活的最贵。但是你可能不知道，新鲜度影响的只是口感，不新鲜的海鲜也是安全的（真的吗？真的，本人亲自人体试验了多年）。

安全跟品种有关系。。。。
安全的鱼柳
COD（前端时间TNT打折，狂便宜，1.99这样子）
BASS ( 狂贵，跟BASA一字之差）
不安全的鱼柳（不能经常吃，偶尔吃绝对安全
BASA
本市最著名的那家四川餐厅的水煮鱼，第二最著名的那家四川餐厅的水煮鱼，都使用BASA。希望他们尽快更换原料。偶尔吃吃管它什么鱼，都没有关系的，但是那些喜欢川菜的同学，一年下来可能已经吃掉了100磅的BASA。
因为我这里基本不来了，有关水产品如果还有其他疑问，请到隔壁的论坛的美食论坛提问，我会回答仔细的

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:51

Cause of Death: Consumption of Basa Fish&
This article is written a Guest Blogger Kimberly Truong. Kimberly is currently an English graduate student at Cal State Fullerton.:
Is it possible that the after-school fish stick snacks you have been feeding your child could possibly be contaminated with deadly metals such as mercury?! Unfortunately, the answer is YES. The dangers of consuming too much fish are usually paired with the not-so-rare disease hydrargyria (better known as mercury poisoning) but now it seems that there’s a new danger to this delicious after-school snack and ambient dinner main course.
A popular frozen fish product imported from Vietnam called basa fish just made the “Do Not Consume” list. Basa fish (known in the UK as Vietnamese river cobbler) is a type of catfish that is farmed in pens along the Mekong River. Basa fish is known for its mild taste and flaky white meat and is becoming the preferred type of fish among consumers because of its “cleaner” and almost bland taste compared to other types of farm-raised fish.

Consumers in The United States were introduced to basa fish in 1994 after the trade embargo with Vietnam was finally lifted. It was not a popular choice at first, but now it is a great competition for domestic catfish farmers. This is because basa fish is cheaper than catfish, has similar taste, and the quality of it is not any less. The quick rise in the basa fish’s popularity created the “Catfish War” in The United States.3 I0 C5 X)
A few years after the spike in popularity of basa fish, scientists discovered the danger of its consumption. Basa fish are farmed along the Mekong River—one of the most polluted rivers in the world. Large manufacturers planted along this river frequently dump extremely toxic and dangerous chemicals and industrial waste directly into it. In June of 2001, the US Food and Drug Administration imposed increased and more thorough testing on Southeast Asian farm-raised seafood including the basa fish after repeatedly discovering fish contaminated with heavy metals and banned antibiotics.'
In March 2007, The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service surveyed 100 fish from this river and detected 14 antimicrobial chemicals at low levels, including sulphonamides, tetracyclines, malachite green, penicillin, quinolones, flouroquinolones and phenicols antimicrobial chemical groups. Regarding these findings, Peter Collignon, director of microbiology and infectious diseases at the Australian National University medical school reports that “this means [that] antibiotics were used in the production of those fish… [and] superbugs can develop and they can remain [in the fish] and come across to people and cause problems.”

Farmed basa fish are not fed their natural foods. They are fed the bones and remnants of dead fish usually after a period of time after the fishes’ deaths—giving time for bacteria to grow and infect the “basa fish food.” These farmed fish are also often injected with dehydrated urine of pregnant women forcing female basa fish to grow and produce eggs quicker and the injection of hormones, imported from a pharmaceutical company in China, increases the speed of the growth and production processes of the fish. Farmers of these fish are only concerned with the progression rates and the income these fish bring in with no concern for the consumers.!
To summarize everything in a few words: basa fish may be poisonous!
Side effects include vomiting, diarrhea and other effects that often stem from food poisoning. True, there may be a few out there who are able to tolerate the fish without having to suffer these side effects, but you should be aware of the health precautions.
Hopefully from now on, you will be aware of the potential risks basa fish poses to your health. It’s easy enough when you’re shopping for fresh fish, but be especially aware when buying packaged seafood like imitation crab, fish sticks, fish terrines, and even pet food. Simply flip the package to the back and check the list of ingredients to make sure that basa fish isn’t an ingredient.

Is saving a few pennies a pound worth the risk of exposing your family to such deadly fish? There is a chance the fish are completely clean and will cause no problems, but considering the risks, is it worth it to assume the fish are uncontaminated when it comes to your loved-ones? Keep in mind that if a price is too good to be true, most likely, it IS too good to be true!

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:53

http://www.dietmindspirit.org/20 ... -catfish-gray-sole/

http://news.monstersandcritics.c ... d_by_French_reports

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:54

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 18:56

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 19:00

http://www.hutong9.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=104516

http://www.0476com.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=184625

http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/showtopic-1944788.aspx

http://www.hioz.net/ibbs/archiver/tid-866489.html

爱网观察员 · 发表于 2012-2-25 19:01

说明：以上只是搜索+转帖，不代表本人观点，欢迎大家讨论，共同增进健康！

Charleston · 发表于 2012-2-25 19:18

lz发了这么多内容。辛苦了。
一般来说便宜没好货。纯鱼肉经常只卖1.99，好东西却这么便宜，符合情理吗？

GoldenPinnacle · 发表于 2012-2-25 20:25

大统华是个应该被抵制的地方。但是因为方便所以每次还不得不去。。。。哎

kingsnake · 发表于 2012-2-25 20:41

小心這種不是龍脷魚。
而是越南湄江河中的垃圾魚-----pangasius fish, 難消化的脂肪特重，越南人也不吃的。
他們把魚切塊，當魚柳賣。

老王婆 · 发表于 2012-2-25 21:10

越南的什么食品都能够卖过来，我就纳了闷了！

架鸡棚 · 发表于 2012-2-25 21:13

偶一直怀疑，加拿大卫生局是否对大童话的食品进行严格的卫生标准检查？

如果没有，大童话为了降低成本，进货渠道就可想而知了。

kingsnake · 发表于 2012-2-25 21:42

老王婆发表于 2012-2-25 21:10
9 Z3 D8 a) M: c7 I1 j越南的什么食品都能够卖过来，我就纳了闷了！

不過，凴良心說。越南的垃圾魚可沒有人為加工的毒素，這個只是魚本身的問題。

老王婆 · 发表于 2012-2-25 23:03

kingsnake 发表于 2012-2-25 21:42 , f3 n% k+ X2 M7 O9 d' X0 D
不過，凴良心說。越南的垃圾魚可沒有人為加工的毒素，這個只是魚本身的問題。

越南有“商检”吗？中国的食品想要正规渠道过来的话，商检很严格的......

halibut · 发表于 2012-2-26 00:06

前几天在垃圾97也买了这种鱼，刚才特意去看了下，真的是越南来滴，晕，不敢吃了这下

zzn0101469 · 发表于 2012-2-26 01:09

和楼上一样，还在纠结吃不吃好。。

kktam · 发表于 2012-2-26 09:40

olddream · 发表于 2012-2-26 10:17

检查一下冰柜，发现还有几袋大统华的龙利鱼（basa），吃还是扔？需要先统一一下意见啊。。。

jingjian · 发表于 2012-2-26 10:36

似乎所有的超市都卖basa，我在superstore和safeway都买过，不知是不是产地跟大统华的一样，都受到严重污染。

在水一方 · 发表于 2012-2-26 10:41

冰箱里还有几包，怎么办呢？？？？

sxh999 · 发表于 2012-2-26 10:53

信息很全

GoldenPinnacle · 发表于 2012-2-26 11:11

老王婆发表于 2012-2-25 23:03 1 N a; f0 @3 i# G6 ]/ z
越南有“商检”吗？中国的食品想要正规渠道过来的话，商检很严格的......

是吗？每次吃火锅都觉得有些火锅底料是蜡。。。

Rainbowjj · 发表于 2012-2-26 11:51

我怎么看这个贴这么熟悉呢，以前在茶馆讨论过的。这个鱼都讨论过N次了。。。哎。。。啥都没法吃了。。。

人行明镜中 · 发表于 2012-2-26 11:56

本来想用来试试做水煮鱼，现在放弃了。

VitaminC · 发表于 2012-2-26 13:26

never eat BASA anymore after the discussion in chaguan.

诺言 · 发表于 2012-2-26 14:01

请问哪个超市有性价比好点的salmon fish 还有 tuna fish 卖啊？
这两种鱼应该吃起来没有污染了吧？

诺言 · 发表于 2012-2-26 14:09

还有啊，大统华卖的大黄鱼小黄鱼，吃着有问题吗？谢谢。

prouddolphin · 发表于 2012-2-26 14:28

多谢多谢啊

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