合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
( }; `8 v- T- P0 F$ f嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
/ K/ d* O; r( Lcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
" w% O. }/ I5 G9 `8 l6 Q2 `I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
4 w8 Q. d9 k6 e! Y$ \' i2 ?me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

- S2 C+ G# \7 y/ w; ^& K9 Q你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
  `( ~0 i: ?3 J5 @9 ~8 u+ {& P# iNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

2 z5 X7 c, z  C2 m' M- ~) [其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
( n+ R; ]. a( N( T7 @6 \I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
7 w/ Z2 x" M4 ~" L8 DTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

菩提树

自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
/ X3 ?4 m& P, d% K6 c9 P5 K1 G" S7 }no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
# \7 f% y& I  J" T9 e6 G$ x" rI like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.
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4 n% |' U# i7 I9 Q4 k& aContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

& M" v& Q4 N/ d$ r) e  w! n; zclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
1 g" _0 k% u8 K0 Laccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
' g! H" o" O( d7 Y& j1 e" yIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
: N' o' f: i6 a4 g* t3 @8 G# K8 uhow long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
9 n' u# `$ g  Z% D9 b  i( \- m) M9 V你还是没有理解我的话.
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5 C8 g7 j7 O/ s+ LContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
' P+ a) u& x" k# Yarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
0 n* \1 @1 E* P, C9 wcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
. C* t+ G( p' {) D. ~10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
" i( }5 r# o9 l0 Q- K) p% T8 e% ONow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

1 |  ^, y  h; O8 g' X- W我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
( H7 D0 x+ i$ _0 k7 F( LI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
! P/ g3 e# M: F) p  n& ~* G% fthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
4 Z8 {3 }) n4 nTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
, I6 t1 o. w+ m. A/ Y& |8 a印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
5 x$ N/ v! U3 x! F: |, S当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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8 i: ^5 H- E2 d+ G3 j& F$ V7 zContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

! T$ O8 e" w+ F0 k$ jThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
& ]* j0 {- ?5 t6 ?$ m/ obecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
( i$ e. i3 U( @1 Z) R! DBenefit Type         Payable At
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Routine               
        Basic                 100%
0 p. t: ]1 J2 \; Z5 f% \) [5 U4 G        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
        Preventative                 100%
       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
  T1 F. |$ p0 v5 f9 IThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
& |( k! e; c0 Y1 y( ?8 J; P! @" f& Vbecause  ...

+ U" A3 S- k1 M2 s) o# n. L谢谢你啊.

3 y& l' E) F" M还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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, Z2 ?0 s3 D& E3 R6 X2 }8 m好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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) S. |" K6 `6 f, p7 }/ H! M1 u至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
8 l: g$ @, R: J成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
! I' `: q$ w  B) \6 [% {2 M' B8 u) v- f谢谢你啊.

还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
1 f. n1 C1 T7 B: |) W1 z' ^I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.