合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
5 z* d/ s4 F9 d. q0 M& q8 Z! O嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

4 u/ ]5 V- @7 u, s) D6 B4 A当然，也有混的啦

  u& n9 M% \. X. H+ Y+ t- B- e我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

* F! X9 u8 e' h那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
: n3 X; {# h, D( s' Dcard, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
1 M2 R9 k1 I/ w+ q/ Ame these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

( R0 c' x/ `% ^" \In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
! H( a* F6 L1 m) r% ]5 R' wNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

/ L( D  d) i/ u* x( i! m$ n- ~9 v$ i其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
9 v* ]# C, ]8 J其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
: Y& Y$ H1 r4 \* S3 d0 JI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
* h$ b7 i; z/ C( G# S+ xWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
  u0 f! R1 v2 p" `* e# ^1 y( Ano 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
; t) T( I1 x. a) H# ~I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.
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8 k8 V2 B# o7 q  t! c6 e* ~Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

+ _3 ]. _1 P6 c6 ]2 ]5 i3 ]而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

8 A# @: A- P5 d# [, V7 }象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
, ^+ g3 \0 ~$ S; t/ |1 ~你还是没有理解我的话.
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% t; c- S6 f/ }+ G; TContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

* l* T, g, T/ }$ q6 e( W4 F! bclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
accident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
, _( G5 o, s+ P2 y/ N% ?7 A& eIn the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
( ]  h. W8 E( P: b* K你还是没有理解我的话.
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4 x6 g) J* h4 W- FContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
' s/ v  j% H: I. z: L' U四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
( T( x6 y+ V% Harea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
Now, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
+ m7 |* q8 T  W, M7 OThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
% X7 M$ u" M2 B6 y$ J4 p四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

: }7 y/ C: w( ~; T. S我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.
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! V8 E7 [+ D8 I/ L1 l. U4 m* z象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
1 o4 Q5 O4 P! V/ HI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
% Z# t( k7 c, s, W- I0 h# ithe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
; V' ~, r! s% ?% c) g$ ]3 x* \Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
' B! ~+ ~& ]( ]% N我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
$ t' `: `( J  V5 i! j& C( V印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
! U8 s) v7 h0 d# n你还是没有理解我的话.

: [9 i: f" v* T# QContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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( ]. z- ]- p" d1 NThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
$ M& q. e4 I* D6 o0 R% j* EBenefit Type         Payable At
       
* z1 Z# q1 f! U, @6 rRoutine               
: E3 [4 e: P* d" R# @        Basic                 100%
$ d& b4 [6 U( W. }        Endodontics                 100%
7 X7 V  g, ^7 X! d* J! v        Periodontics                 100%
; ]8 _! x1 t7 R/ h- ]! e! M2 J        Preventative                 100%
2 `5 Q9 ]+ g2 X. Y       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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# C+ n' o& q; D还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

3 d- b7 M4 i, f' i好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

9 X3 \0 T/ ~2 h, y" D所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
  K+ i$ I; F# G' p成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

6 _! @% S8 I& W* w4 p$ p6 ^I will, thanks!
" z; Z- C  O1 `4 QI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.