合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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当然，也有混的啦

, p6 f- V* z/ P3 i8 a' k) `. ~我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
my landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

$ q! Y: a# b  t6 f# c那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
) C( |, [2 V% g& K" ]* c' ^card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
' c* }& j" v  R5 m0 q4 u8 fme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。
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0 C- a! ~; s- D: O7 b/ Z% F7 V你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
7 G- }, V9 v: s  W- VNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
* L; I' f& X, t( NTomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
5 }8 G$ `/ W4 U6 d7 m/ {& o) GWhy not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.
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- P9 ^% q, v' j- C* WContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

& u/ ~5 E2 O9 Z) e而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?
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象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
, V; v- z' i* g3 v5 B你还是没有理解我的话.
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+ D! p) Q5 `* \, z7 s2 jContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

6 B: o: v& Z* K% p+ r5 qclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
- N% W( L3 v# {4 _# oaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
3 C$ _* n* L& t4 j5 G* ?In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

( z3 K6 I3 [- _; }  m四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
7 @: n! a1 T- X2 n) V# o# g四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

% v4 n/ P  Q1 T; Y9 U6 z姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
area, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
4 f" [: m/ z2 F& F3 C( Q( A9 \6 ^come in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
8 u, Q- S' g' b6 Q" Z, E4 B10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
2 `3 Z1 i$ K( f% I" n* o$ DNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
Thanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

8 s: M- S+ d# v$ R+ S我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.
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洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

* p0 E, t( j8 d+ u; W/ h& _3 k" L象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
0 B# [0 j+ T1 c0 M) z% WI cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
4 i; v% d# p8 S/ [1 X6 m5 kthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
  J9 l8 K* i+ [9 nTomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

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* a9 o" w% }/ T合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
, w3 w8 }# x: @! I6 v7 k$ x我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
- _5 K, m, i6 N: Y- T/ C; F这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
$ t% I" S) L4 `' @4 \( I印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
6 r$ R1 `' \9 ~( d/ [1 J1 H你还是没有理解我的话.

9 \" t, X  Y6 x! h1 N! V2 WContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

These are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
: {1 i) p# `8 R6 b9 x$ pbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
- |3 h/ H1 e: a3 U* K& pBenefit Type         Payable At
       
7 @; e3 C/ `: P2 }Routine               
0 h3 M9 L) d& W( B        Basic                 100%
1 ]2 [( p# ?4 c  u: v3 ]        Endodontics                 100%
$ u- I: t. @! @. a        Periodontics                 100%
2 @: S0 M9 O9 c        Preventative                 100%
1 c$ x0 @3 M7 u# V. f  G       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered
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7 ]$ q8 r  a2 b6 U, G) @% Fasked and deleted.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
7 q; i: e/ [1 O" ]! X1 fThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
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谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

  q$ c) ~/ }* q2 M好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

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中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

0 }) K! z9 s# g: O1 t" b0 R; k" |所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
" f3 T* C! O; e1 Z# a成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
7 M4 i6 _: H4 O7 x1 e# P6 B& ~( W9 `谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
7 A! ?$ R$ K' y2 yI was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
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