合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

人行明镜中

summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
5 G1 g! b3 a2 n+ d嗯，很多牛人。的确是。
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7 P3 q& Y0 G4 h2 ~1 x9 z- v" T当然，也有混的啦

我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

人行明镜中

marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
! W5 k2 k( j/ p( smy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

4 b0 Q7 [6 ?0 }+ a3 A9 w* C那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
me these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
$ B( V2 m2 {+ B3 ?& q( F! x4 \' o还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

. O, S* T8 A5 i0 h  V8 x你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

8 w! h9 j4 ^. g: q! \In canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

八千里路云和月

marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
5 E( B4 ]0 z) G) _' y* ]0 JNow I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
/ C4 x% d: |7 _2 K8 Q* k5 WI like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
ask insurance company pay, no me!
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

八千里路云和月

marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
' S0 i6 g) N4 {6 Y8 o7 n& C( OI like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.

Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

, f4 L, @# A7 K1 P: Y# u而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
7 K' K" b+ s8 X8 D& R9 f7 r; f你还是没有理解我的话.
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Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

6 z5 X4 }- Y+ w9 q0 Kclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
9 D; t! S' ?  A1 Saccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
2 F  s( B; {- L& b# r* ~In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
3 j$ q9 c  ^8 x  Y( o& f4 p) }how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

$ X( {  p+ D9 G$ J8 ^$ FContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

4 r1 F, c9 j; P' Q7 R/ n) ], W3 w! P四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

/ X7 o; a1 R& l5 L) `姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
/ f# K3 P* c  Y/ y: [% sarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
' o, L/ L2 D" @" Q- J( ]a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
6 ^3 e5 B3 S' hcome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
* G# _5 S' l- ENow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
* w* s0 x# ~$ Y1 C. |1 h, D* ~# dThanks! lovely small girl!

八千里路云和月

marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
* q0 S5 ^1 w5 F, F8 }四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

6 K" J! N% u# z! L7 ]洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

- t$ j! }/ b' A/ Y& n- |象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
; j3 E8 G' P( ^1 \$ M* n& S9 hthe good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

量子风水

合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

量子风水

同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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. ?& ?+ Y' z$ m7 U6 jContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

3 f, P' u! y$ t7 t5 tThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
% D' J# `- v' w# E( S7 o0 ?$ Bbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please

Dental Benefits Summary:
Benefit Type         Payable At
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% b, c6 P% |* M- H4 |& qRoutine               
0 s2 d$ f+ j4 [8 y- P" f/ I- x' s        Basic                 100%
        Endodontics                 100%
        Periodontics                 100%
        Preventative                 100%
       
9 r" H6 f+ v+ B        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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八千里路云和月

marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
. l$ j% F0 l3 F2 RThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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8 ]1 @7 u  q0 l, y还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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& W% h5 Z: @5 b( E9 S  ~8 {好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.
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/ e3 K- p' D1 N  M7 D  t至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
1 d; e4 {7 N$ k% @1 d: Z成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
6 w  }+ X, A! G( _. f6 Z; d2 I$ T  z谢谢你啊.

* x, X8 b$ H' @" A还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

I will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
management.