送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表

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For Employer:
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: \0 J+ U0 q3 B; Q, w2 W4 xYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

1 C* E2 ~# ]6 k# Z9 Lhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!
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Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表
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2 `: S+ \5 y% I6 u; q& zhoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspect ...

, z8 l4 i( N0 ]0 c; o# cUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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$ E' E* _/ G0 PI guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

' R  C) C% u: k* H$ N6 tplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!
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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

# ~7 H/ w  X& b3 MBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.

tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada
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0 Y" \# K& k2 C8 T  Wwhat's the logic there?

when you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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please refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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haha you were so fast and anxious to fight me, before I even finished editing.

裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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& V; d; M" H# D3 j+ F5 Z8 [8 ZBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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! V6 j4 I- v4 F6 X1 r刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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写中文吧，各位～～

elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!
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The exception is: so ...

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; b) @. K# e: B7 Ohaha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

; ?) z9 a& w$ P% C& Othe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.
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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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" h9 b; j$ S  ?& u$ P  O! _; ntip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

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when you are talking about ...

I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表

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it's not accusing, don't use big words that you don't understand.  

right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表


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原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
% l1 q' g: z1 L( \4 X全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～

) \1 u, Y7 w8 l& R刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。

+ A( ^4 R/ n! E0 @1 B写中文吧，各位～～

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% E9 ]$ y4 F5 t# N$ i6 I- R! \ 想跟着灌，插不进嘴～

OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！

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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose

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大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。

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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

) t$ N2 ?' m2 e8 u* R9 }6 athe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
! j, N2 S6 L- a1 C  S7 z. a5 O5 M如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜 ...

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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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8 |; q6 B3 O( }5 F( s, X5 Wi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...
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hoho, how funny

8 |% ?0 Z6 u$ s/ s9 e[ 本帖最后由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:10 编辑 ]

疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

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原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
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9 L, R1 Y4 w! \* Y* o是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表


i do agree with most of people here this is a custom that most of us, including myself follow when we receive services here.
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, h  x6 Y2 l: n# `" t4 Ui was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

5 j$ b1 X4 t& Z- T% h你看看, 整儿个一个跑题,谁跟谁一头的都乱了!

9 |2 N% @/ O) G$ w& \还是灌水的正事儿要紧

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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! l( p9 v$ E$ ^! l是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

1 c* D8 L& z  T9 u2 x2 {/ w看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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: W$ }0 ?: p: i' F9 j$ \  ~7 o- k看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

6 M; |% j, M, P; H 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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" X: J, X2 g9 A+ B5 G1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
. p! X3 i9 j- G2 再问是否需要点其他的，
2 H: I# S8 C9 f- n' `' p3 再问是否送得太慢，
4 在问是否服务太差。
5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这些招数值得一试。
# u/ B1 Y7 ^8 b7 ^3 A6 W' o我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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8 }- C) j% y' V+ {& g$ w: K5 a7 C( o4 whahaha, then there might be proposals for "fart shield" design,

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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$ q  Q$ T& k0 U1 y$ [, |2 U真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
再按门铃， 顺序文以下的问题。 每问一次， 将手放在胸口作拿钱状
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1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
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3 r  A( W5 Y( S* J( v; t3 再问是否送得太慢，
8 m; C. c5 j. n8 @+ s( P- U& b/ c4 在问是否服务太差。
. t! e) }3 A3 n9 B9 ]! O5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表


. _. Z6 x; P/ k( |: k% [0 j0 d5 c唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  

咳!我就更没地位了!俺有一次跟三大爷急了,我说: 我们家里我爸每次放屁都要到门口去! 你三大爷说: 那当然了,你们家都是女的,就你爸一个男的阿!真同情你爸爸! 按咱家目前情况, 你要是嫌弃,我们放屁你完全可以去门口!  

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