送外卖，不给小费正常吗？

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:43 发表
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For Employer:
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( l5 G* @$ ~, Y! }) n; L3 B1 O* EYou may argue this was for the US. I have to admit I am not formiliar with Canada Tax Regulations. I just know the income tax in Canada is much higher than the states.

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hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.

6 d9 F3 v, W; s' g5 U# [US law doesn't apply to Canada.  Thank God, it doesn't, for many aspects!

: a4 m: J: ]( ~Someone from UK, NZ, AU or even HK dig out the tip-tax laws there?

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:46 发表


hoho, i don't need to argue at all, as you admitted the point yourself that we are not talking about the same thing.
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& Y# M$ E/ S' u# g# x* P) kUh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

- I2 N' g+ I/ }. P: a% T7 X0 FBut one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表


I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as his own "rules" but common sense means nothing.

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1 [6 m/ W/ N0 O/ N* y) ?0 Dplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but that still doesn't make it a law!

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elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 11:49 发表

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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.

But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

Your last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?
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# |$ J' @6 u( J, U' u( Swhen you are talking about law, you cannot use your own guess/think/assumption.  put out some valid facts before you jump to the ridiculous conclusion!

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:51 发表
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* x* l7 v/ @/ y) @; C0 A* G0 Dplease refer to my note made on the last page.  common sense is definitely something, but it still doesn't make it a law!

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裙裾飘飘

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 17:49 发表
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Uh, I don't think you read my last sentence.
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But one thing I am clearer now: I guess there are too many people who ONLY see law as their own "rules" but common sense means nothin ...

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0 q. ]. c  `+ z! s% p' K+ {To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

! h2 E& ?3 U  u8 l( S" z5 jThe exception is: some new comer does not know the common sense

让爱住我家

全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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刚看了好几篇paper，头都大了。
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elle

原帖由 裙裾飘飘 于 2006-11-27 11:57 发表
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To Elle, According to the common sense, if you know that you should pay tips but you did not even you had a good servie, that's RUDE!!

4 z' g. e8 }5 m/ r/ h; N* r% QThe exception is: so ...

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haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.
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) X' q5 b; ^+ [6 xthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
* L+ M! _# ]8 R7 L1 S4 R+ ZThere's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  

Or maybe the people in service can make a plead to the congress/parliament or whatsoever to add this amendment into the bylaws or even constitution.

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OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:53 发表
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) c% [+ F7 w  S+ r4 f& R6 V7 VYour last sentence is again an "a+b must be equal to c" thing.
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tip-tax in US + high (?) tax in canade = tip tax in canada

what's the logic there?
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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

elle

原帖由 OliveOil 于 2006-11-27 12:02 发表

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I am talking "Law" + "Common Sense". If you can't discuss without accusing the 'ridiculous' me, hold tight to your own opinion

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right, i do hold tight to my own opinion.

OliveOil

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:07 发表

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don't use big words that you don't understand.   

  I 服了U! :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai: :chongbai:

猪刀小试

原帖由 让爱住我家 于 2006-11-27 11:58 发表
全是英语呀？ 上这来就是来看中文的呀～～
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OliveOil

俺是胆小怕事的主儿，原想用英文回英文，竟被人揭发出“用俺自己也不懂的（英文）词，唉，惭愧呀！
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三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 11:06 发表
well, just for clarification purpose
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) G- h1 j3 l9 v7 ]i am paying my tips, although it's something typical only/mainly in the english speaking coutries.

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. F/ L5 M8 f" t1 Y这小妮子真要讲理哈！

大家也别周旋什么法律了。那给小费虽然不是法律, 但是叫做：习俗常规（custom)。不给小费不会被抓进监狱, 但是会被人不耻. 这世界上并非所有行为都被法律法规明文，比如你当众放屁谁也管不着，甚至你没憋住放了一个两个的，别人还会善意的微笑，但是你天天吃黄豆，到了办公室一边放炮一边扭屁股，你说这。。。。再比如你当众。。。哈哈，不举那么多例子了。
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U-boat

唉。难怪去饭馆不时遭怠慢。敢情原来不少同胞不给小费（少于10%， 给不给差不多）。。。难怪人家stereotype

smalleagle

LAWs are NOT the only rules of live.

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 12:01 发表

haha, i do pay the tips when i live/travel in "tipping" areas, thanks for the reminder.

- h) _( o: \. F1 s! M/ h+ Uthe point i wanted to make in this discussion is that tipping is a common sense, but just a common sense.  
There's no law/regulation that you can force people to tip, even if they may be considered rude for not tipping.  
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, ]+ G' [2 X% Z5 {" ?: [ 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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你别捣乱了，可怜可怜大雪天送餐的兄弟们吧！

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 12:56 发表
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7 l! P# j8 H8 m# ^) n8 M/ i 还宪法呢? 这算custom行吗？就是虽不为法，但是绝大多数都自行遵守的常规。
如果大家都不按着办, 那估计真要立法了！随便把“不得当众放p"也立进去
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i do agree with most of people here that tipping is a custom that most of us, INCLUDING MYSELF follow when we receive services here.
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' I$ \  d+ X3 e& N# bi was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented "但是据说做服务行业的人缴税的时候，政府已经把你的小费收入算进去了，所以拿不到小费的确让服务员气愤。 " with "街头传闻不可信" in reply No.42.  Then someone brought up the guides and US tax laws...

hoho, how funny
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疯青羊

又搞这么多英语

猪刀小试

原帖由 疯青羊 于 2006-11-27 13:08 发表
又搞这么多英语

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是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

三思

原帖由 elle 于 2006-11-27 13:05 发表

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i was involved in the law/custom discussion when i commented &q ...

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三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:11 发表
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7 v% z# }; l2 y4 Z% j/ Z5 v是，英文的看不懂的说。但有一点还是能看明白的，没有法律支持的道德只是空谈～

+ a" K1 d$ A" s; ~1 t看来把"禁止放屁" 写进宪法,就全指望猪刀拉!

猪刀小试

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:14 发表
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2 ~' Y1 T# D6 a 正全力督办此事。

猪刀小试

靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:20 发表
靠，老哈不给面子，说侵犯他人权，他第一个反对，我正在努力游说议会中～

真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

francais

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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8 {, r5 D1 O# t& p/ L" y1 问他们是否有东西缺了，
2 再问是否需要点其他的，
4 W8 ]- [% a( J1 k3 再问是否送得太慢，
# Y' K  X( Z$ N7 v; G4 在问是否服务太差。
6 ]* a- t" d  P6 `* T- Q+ o5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

" h  \- f! ~$ J( e. Q: q4 h" x这些招数值得一试。
我以前在蒙城的时候去过一家墨西哥餐厅，更绝，收费的时候直接把小费要出来，15％。其实好像很多地方都是直接以服务费的名目要出来的，记得以前学得很多外语资料（英语和法语）都有这样介绍的。

elle

原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表
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真是办事不力!告儿他: 呸! 屁股要权利,我们鼻子难道没有权利吗?

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原帖由 三思 于 2006-11-27 13:23 发表

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/ [, \/ `: \" Z* l, i, U' Y1 w2 ^唉，俺可不是说了吗？可老哈说屁股大，鼻子小，小的服从大的。把俺整的哑口无言
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酷暑严寒

原帖由 精打細算 于 2006-11-26 17:45 发表
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* R0 j0 B/ Q' \! Y5 最后，说白了如果不是服务差， ...

这个应该管用！  

三思

原帖由 猪刀小试 于 2006-11-27 13:28 发表

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我约了老哈明儿中午吃越南粉，三大妈有空也来吧，咱好好给他讲讲～

7 u: q1 }& D0 t3 Z& w* g% b笨!你也不琢磨琢磨! 谁说鼻孔小? :kaixin:  
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