关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
; }: m2 v+ E8 r( R" m& e5 |朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
5 Z: a2 S4 R/ v! \我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
1 @; J, G- r' [I am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
4 r/ Z1 f$ B) ]  i5 VI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
; D" ?4 E* A2 Q. b& o/ mI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
d or u

arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
0 B, R6 K" S* M5 u/ O. l/ z等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
* N# B3 B0 O: ], `7 r2 j. Z! {5 fI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！
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如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：
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１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。
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２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中
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3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
2 w  ?3 }$ `4 X2 o/ f0 ]& L0 VCanada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
Can you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

4 n! m2 s. Y& s<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>
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Crisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
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　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
) N' V/ ^% B' w4 j8 w5 z         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
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5 G% T' p2 X  c3 `  F能把oo发对很不容易呀。
: z8 @9 T4 g% k- |- o' F我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

duck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
! n. o9 q, i) @) a3 \. BI think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
1 U; z+ j: F- b# |" x& w. ]" J+ O. rTo JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
( O) @! t- o, S! v8 VI think my local dialect doesn't ...

) F, z: C( r! L1 i) z- mCool.
Further, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
1 l4 C. X: x. b! K5 k) h9 }这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
  v6 ?1 A6 C: w6 }! ]1 j5 BI don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
I believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383
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