关于鸭子湖: Duck Lake or Goose Lake

arbo

那天路过鸭子湖，我说我们中国人叫 Hawrelak Park为鸭子湖。朋友问为什么。我开玩笑说，我们中国人不会发那个名字的音。
! Y7 z8 H( e+ O1 Z* R4 N朋友说，你也发不好 Duck Lake 的音。
' s. P$ k8 O- B+ m. Y我想了想，是的。下次改叫 Goose Lake。

伊人

好

suvescape

Goose 中的oo,就一定能发好么?

arbo

I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
% I8 O& j$ o" ~" x& q) JI am working on it now, any suggestions?

billzhao

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 14:03
! H, A% y" Z# w; k( O; GI have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

which sound?
& T) o. B" w' e; qd or u
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arbo

Come on, I am not an Indian.

billzhao

hehe, right, Indians cannot say d

jsw

我的理解是：
" i4 f+ w! j( W! `2 e再复杂的读音，你把他标好后，先一个音节一个音节的分开读，然后连起来读。
/ \# |7 v* S' o5 S# u: O等到你觉得整个单词读得正确了，就重复读个100遍。这样应该能解决了。
+ [) Q. _, Y$ H& z& I如果一次不行，你就每天找个时间练。可以把那个音标贴在门上或放在你电脑前... 就像卖油翁那样。。。

Crisis

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arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
I am working on it now, any suggestio ...

如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出现的元音－－－所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！

- h. v1 T  ^, W! H' O* M' o如何发？有两种方法供参考，如下：

１、在面部肌肉放松，口腔肌肉包括舌头也放松的情况下，要么用手使劲捏自己勃子的喉结处（女性请参考男性的相关位置），直到自己实在忍受不住了，而发出声音，要么，用自己的拳头对准胸部使劲捶打一下，很意外地发出来的声音，就象了。
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7 r" d! t! N# `4 f9 A" R２、或者，可以参考当地人发CANADA时的尾音－－－原音a，将其应用到所有单词中的同样发音中

3. 最后，谁给suvescape扔鸡蛋了？人家一片好心，却被误解。赶紧送鲜花补上吧。suvescape是对的，oo的音其实更难发，很多人尤其是同胞以为发对了，其实与正确的发音还相差甚远－－－正如咱以前那样。

arbo

I think they might be different. Duck is a stressed vowel.
Canada 的尾音－－－原音a is schwa.
Can you explain?

arbo

I checked it again. You are right: it is also a schwa.

arbo

One useful link: http://www.pronuncian.com/Lessons/Default.aspx?Lesson=98

jsw

Crisis 发表于 2012-3-15 08:38
4 Y1 t7 p( C+ p# f如果duck的元音你不会发，相信我，你会发现你大多数单词的发音都不正确：因为这是英文单词中最为广泛出 ...

! b/ Y+ b+ Y0 E$ m" X<所有元音a,e,i,o,u，在单词中非重读时，大都发这个音！>
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8 n. }: }- g6 }8 `4 W1 {: iCrisis: 这几个元音字母非重读的音是/&#601;/吧。
　　　当然，赖哥似乎是把它和/&#652;/等同的。我个人有点怀疑。
　　　
5 q: X3 y: q4 b& V* a　　　我个人觉得duck还是应该读成/d&#652;k/,而不是/d&#601;k/，就像bus应该读成/b&#652;s/而不是/b&#601;s/......
         当然，很多人分别读成/dak/,/bas/，这样就失去了应有的“声音往下压，短促”的韵味了，给人一种“拖沓”的声音感觉。(中文双引号中内容只是我个人的发音体会的描述。)

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-2-29 15:03
I have no problem with oo, but still have problem with duck.
8 ?0 @) p* N( EI am working on it now, any suggestio ...

) m  F7 A( h2 }能把oo发对很不容易呀。
我以前就分不清full和fool，像云吞有个帖子里说得那样。

; L' T, m: k. ?4 bduck的u发不准，是不是和Arbo的方言背景有关？不是你老家在那个区域......

arbo

To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
I think my local dialect doesn't interfere with my English. The problem is the British accent.

月如钩

Hawrelak的音标是什么？

jsw

arbo 发表于 2012-3-16 09:54
& Y7 G  I$ q+ d+ g: R2 S' ]To JSW: I realized that Crisis is right. Both of them are Schwa.  
! T5 \- H7 O1 g  N1 I& [I think my local dialect doesn't ...

Cool.
Further, those who can speak more than one dialect are better able to produce sounds in a foreign language. I learned that from a linguistics book written by 桂灿昆.

月如钩

http://www.box.com/s/838e14f49f4d1c390324
这个发音对吗？

arbo

I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

月如钩

arbo 发表于 2012-3-19 17:13
I don't think it is right. The problem is on the a, which should be reduced to /&#601;/.

. I# C5 Y/ v$ m+ F: [. ]' ^Thanks! Just google it and got such one as follows,
1 M/ h* G# I: c! _% JI believe it's HAV-ri-lak. The name is Ukranian. It is often transliterated into English with a "v," not a "w." (William Hawrelak was mayor of Edmonton in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s.)
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2093383