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为什么梁彼得被裁定所有罪名成立?(ZT)

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发表于 2016-2-22 15:10 | 显示全部楼层
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chess 发表于 2016-2-22 09:49
8 b% N6 _# u; |我觉得梁警官最好的方法就是上诉,向州一级最高法院上诉,请求翻案。
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被控方可以提出当时的情况非常危险 ...
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上诉庭没有陪审团,而法官是不能推翻陪审团的判决的。上诉庭可以提的是初审的程序出错,例如法官错误引导陪审员之类的,或有新的证据,才可以判决发还重审,在低级法院重新开一个陪审团再重新审理。上诉庭要达到这样判决的门槛是非常高的。现在最好的情况就是给压力初审法官,判决轻一点。还有就是初审出来,上诉刑期。
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发表于 2016-2-22 15:37 | 显示全部楼层
youngguncn 发表于 2016-2-22 15:05
: |2 B' L" G+ i3 x' U% i你想想,一个警察向楼下开了一枪,然后听见一个人蹬蹬蹬跑了,这警察当个没事人的似的不去看一下。有没有 ...

5 o$ `) t' }8 E! R# m你开过枪没有?我手枪步枪都打过十几发子弹。没戴耳塞打的。枪声响真是震撼,耳朵没好几秒都缓不过来。谁会听见什么?2 L4 X9 M7 o. F+ n4 e
那个小黑听见枪响第一反应当然就是跑路,谁知道是不是黑帮仇杀?9 B. f( m/ c2 _; P
您还真是瞎抬杠的。狗屁不通
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发表于 2016-2-22 16:31 | 显示全部楼层
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彩铃 发表于 2016-2-22 04:575 T1 k/ m6 d, C. k: ^
悲催啊,那些说话的人啊,想想吧,如果是你的儿子或者是你的弟弟,你能这么高尚吗?
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Exactly, 如果那些说话的人的儿子在楼梯道被白人警察误杀,估计也要游行讨公道了。
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梁彼得确实没想杀那个人,根本也看不清楚,所以判误杀是对的。否则,就是谋杀了。
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发表于 2016-2-22 17:31 | 显示全部楼层
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就事论事,我觉得没有证据证明梁进去后主动朝下开了枪,如果大家非要自己设身进去,我只能说,如果你的儿女这种情况被杀了,我只能表示慰问,不支持所谓定罪公道。
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发表于 2016-2-22 18:02 | 显示全部楼层
贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-22 15:37
6 c6 F  b7 ?* A# G# g你开过枪没有?我手枪步枪都打过十几发子弹。没戴耳塞打的。枪声响真是震撼,耳朵没好几秒都缓不过来。谁 ...

% N9 b, E1 k3 V5 B4 A, F* j步枪打过,手枪没有,打多少发没查,军警朋友多,又不是没机会,不会跟算好打多少发拿来装X,炮也打过,炮会有感觉,站太近,捂耳朵也不行,晕。步枪卧射,正常射击距离头一枪吓一跳,之后没感觉。当然在楼里肯定会比在训练场声音大。但是,人家是受过训的警察,跟打过十几枪的货是不一样的,开一枪缓几秒的B事人家是干不出来的。9 P: p" r2 Z+ F5 L# M: c

1 U) I4 F9 d: a+ y0 p基本上听见枪声跑是正常反应,如果身体比较好,据说,伊春林场有武警朋友跟着去抓逃犯,冬天,用79打,打在肩膀和大腿上就一个跟头,然后接着跑。但是,那小黑TM胸口中弹,流血都快流死了,还躲起来等女朋友。
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1 L- R7 @% u* K) X5 o你看看你这沟回想出来个啥?
% c; \# _" \$ L/ g4 h" v# W$ ?  e一个受过训练,拿打枪当吃饭的主,开了一枪之后就啥也听不见了, 彻底TM蒙圈了,脑袋突然就有瑕疵了。
6 r- U$ U4 J2 ]7 V% w- K% m& ^一对小情侣,男的深受重伤,快死了都不求救,蹑手蹑脚的和女朋友找了个地方自己疗伤去了。- _. \+ @, h. b. D0 K
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你是跟我说梁sir吗?, E4 b" o* A! f+ G
你TM这是在说欧阳锋抓郭靖黄蓉呢吧你。。
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发表于 2016-2-22 19:28 | 显示全部楼层
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1 [+ R6 x; N6 N0 e讨论真热烈
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事实是小梁开枪,结果是受害者中弹。9 _. k2 j# n' [$ `3 P3 O

: ]8 t# K! U' V+ H( r2 t说完全无罪,有些牵强
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发表于 2016-2-22 19:59 | 显示全部楼层
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nanoEM 发表于 2016-2-22 19:28
$ H! d) C* y2 _% _2 S. w  G0 R讨论真热烈
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8 Z1 i' `% E8 A2 |$ S事实是小梁开枪,结果是受害者中弹。
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你开车
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突然冲出来个鹿' H7 E# o& e8 c  ]' d

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发表于 2016-2-22 20:03 | 显示全部楼层
wantU 发表于 2016-2-22 19:59
3 G# w- U  T( w* ~5 k  ^你开车
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0 o- L9 E  a- i: m% o" _, p直接撞上去,无罪
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" h- I% T6 D0 c' s: K) d7 ~) @闪躲,撞了别人车,或者自己翻车,算违章事故。  O9 a' y2 ^3 h
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发表于 2016-2-22 20:04 | 显示全部楼层
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nanoEM 发表于 2016-2-22 20:03
$ E7 J$ v# I1 x8 a2 Y1 O直接撞上去,无罪5 k5 R( D) E/ t9 P4 x
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闪躲,撞了别人车,或者自己翻车,算违章事故。

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发表于 2016-2-22 20:11 | 显示全部楼层
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wantU 发表于 2016-2-22 20:04( Y+ s6 v( i0 |
就说撞到鹿了

; R/ {# q( B& J& d$ z% e嗯,撞鹿,车子损伤不小,要报警。
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保险公司告诉他,如果撞,不躲,算意外,不扣分,不涨保险。
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如果车撞人,好像都要承担后果,不论哪人是不是违反交规
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发表于 2016-2-22 20:24 | 显示全部楼层
youngguncn 发表于 2016-2-22 18:02
, `, P0 v2 ?1 k( Z步枪打过,手枪没有,打多少发没查,军警朋友多,又不是没机会,不会跟算好打多少发拿来装X,炮也打过, ...
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说你狗屁不通,你就马上跳出来秀无知,呵呵
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“人家是受过训的警察”# l$ c, i: X1 @
警察的耳朵也是人的耳朵,近距离听到枪响也会暂时丧失听力,就是打过一万发子弹,也还是和你我的耳朵一样。- q) g: Y8 k; T/ U
还有一条:北美劳保法规很完善,美国和加拿大都规定,噪音超过一定水平就得戴听力保护装置,警察平时练枪也是带着耳塞的。
5 A! p% p+ I; V0 J* v“那小黑TM胸口中弹,流血都快流死了,还躲起来等女朋友”
, u- ?, J% o. ^  {* Q: I这里是维基百科上关于这个案件的说法:( H, d7 j8 p& j: x( n4 d, W
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Akai_Gurley
2 ~# j  u: H* ZIt is reported that Gurley actually ran after hearing the gunshot, and didn’t realize that he was bleeding until collapsing on the fifth floor
1 I- b+ s# Z0 C1 }2 _这几句英文不难,看懂了没有?美国人是在用英文写金庸小说吗?
2 W5 Y+ g! r+ s& v9 C! T+ b* \就算身中致命枪伤,人还是能继续活动一阵的,这是常识了。) ^' I) D6 [6 P
你还知道啥叫沟回啊?您那沟回里不会都充水了吧?
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发表于 2016-2-22 21:53 | 显示全部楼层
贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-22 20:248 p2 O6 w; y1 J) D! `7 U
说你狗屁不通,你就马上跳出来秀无知,呵呵9 s8 g" f% o' x( F+ p& R

0 e0 f$ B- M+ P“人家是受过训的警察”

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贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-22 20:24
3 J" P* f! }3 r2 |3 ^8 n0 l说你狗屁不通,你就马上跳出来秀无知,呵呵/ C( Q* s5 }5 u, b7 ]; E

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wantU 发表于 2016-2-22 19:59
3 \/ P: e6 D4 o3 U% p你开车
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突然冲出来个鹿
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% H  H' w9 `4 T0 ^+ y9 e  _! K* b鹿有罪没罪不好说,但鹿被撞死,梁彼得入狱,都是误判造成了恶果。
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小黄 发表于 2016-2-22 22:01
$ P* B) F; q: N+ {! V" B0 Q. w鹿被撞死 = 梁彼得入狱
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没有可比性,sorry
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nanoEM 发表于 2016-2-22 22:027 @5 C6 z' I5 X1 O3 Y5 k; T1 ?7 c
没有可比性,sorry
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prove it
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小黄 发表于 2016-2-22 22:03
0 O- |/ D7 l2 x3 C) G) G8 {prove it
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0 }4 ~( h$ ^. |( S是说鹿和人没有可比性
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小梁伤到人了,被追究,合情合理,没有问题。
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$ G  G# [4 D7 J1 h诶,如果子弹不小心打到鹿,应该不会这么严重吧?* A% e2 Q. }  |; W5 M

5 A/ g; Z* j' o9 @开车,不论行人是否违反交规,只要出了事故,司机都会被判承担一定的责任。
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发表于 2016-2-22 22:12 | 显示全部楼层
小黄 发表于 2016-2-22 16:31
+ u8 F" z; o0 s/ S/ {Exactly, 如果那些说话的人的儿子在楼梯道被白人警察误杀,估计也要游行讨公道了。) l; u& c( I# M
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梁彼得确实没想 ...
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nanoEM 发表于 2016-2-22 22:086 z/ Y3 M3 d# f
小梁伤到人了,被追究,合情合理,没有问题。
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诶,如果子弹不小心打到鹿,应该不会这么严重吧?

9 e! Y+ z/ n" e% [, p2 n我是按照127楼的说法来分析的
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突然冲出来个鹿
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地点: 公路 = 公寓楼
6 T% F+ J1 @$ d日常使用者: 司机车辆 = 公寓住户访客# S$ B1 X8 J( V1 {  G" h1 r9 ~
意外因素: 鹿闯入公路撞到车 = 梁彼得开枪打死公寓里人( M0 d) Q0 ^! {* Q
对日常使用者的伤害: 车辆撞毁 = 公寓里死一人
5 C1 l/ s6 K! _3 T对意外造成者的伤害: 鹿撞死 = 梁彼得入狱
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小黄 发表于 2016-2-22 22:149 j+ G9 B( e2 j0 f. L
我是按照127楼的说法来分析的
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5 d3 q& a1 e5 M6 p. z0 p# n类比正确,但涉及到人,法律上是个很严肃的问题。0 w8 T7 S  Z7 q$ X% r
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是悲剧,但不能因此不追究责任。
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& J6 r, A4 \) v! }0 v判决不公,过重,游行,发声也是正当的
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小梁就是被不得力的律师害死了,据说最早的律师是警察局帮找的,我觉得这就是个局,存心把他推出去当替罪羊的。
8 R- J6 v% I: N. G- T, ]- ~还有,那个老黑检察官就是一心要整死小梁的,他给小梁栽赃了个“故意向发出声音的方向开枪”的罪名,
2 t3 T+ p4 O! a3 W/ B9 R/ J7 t试想如果小梁是有意识主动开枪,怎么可能事后会惊慌失措?7 o1 h1 K+ t+ v; }; R/ L/ `
黑人是帮亲不帮理的,早两年白人保安打死一个黑人半大小子的案子,案子还没审,奥巴马马上就说他感到那个就是他的儿子,明目张胆地施加压力。
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贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-22 20:248 F% b* d. A- A$ W: U' n
说你狗屁不通,你就马上跳出来秀无知,呵呵
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“人家是受过训的警察”

4 X0 z( [  e: D" @& r你能不能像个人类一样思考问题。
) {' O9 j1 T/ k) G9 X6 e一辈子开过十几枪就跑来装逼的听见枪响直接拉裤子里也说不定。当了一年半警察,靠这个吃饭主能跟你的反应一样。% S& `/ p5 B7 z7 {* r4 p! w
刚开始中枪可能不知道,你TM都要挂了还跟个虎逼似的不呼救?" K# T$ I7 w3 P) A

- e. O8 Q! e; I9 _( i; s( D) e我知道你还有那个支持你的2逼没脑子。那你们用屁股想,抛开华裔这层皮不谈,甚至抛开警察这层皮不谈。我在家拿个射钉枪修fence,不小心走火啦,刚好有SB在我家门口溜达,跳弹就把这SB给崩了。但是我没责任,因为这SB一看就不是啥好人,长个欠揍的脑袋。是这么玩的?好,还不解气。这不俩SB吗,一个中枪了,另一个就张罗救,我拿个枪出来“CNM,滚”。完了我还没事是吗?我所有情节都比梁sir轻。警例比这个严多了。0 l2 S( B+ g; _$ h+ ^) D) }9 O: V3 Z
你这么想,美国那12个陪审员没这么SB。即使那12个陪审员敢这么断,法官也可以驳。
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事实上,这段不是给SB听的。二级误杀,可能是梁 sir主动干死人之后能求刑里几乎是轻的。如果不是照顾到华裔,少数族裔,单从不救这一点,完全可以求重刑。8 c0 u4 C8 r' F. P7 G8 H
虽然跟我没关系,但我是不希望梁 sir坐牢,坐牢也希望警察别跟重刑犯关在一起,不管是不是华裔,都一样。但一帮缺乏基本常识的货,因为皮一样就上街。死人的不上街,干死人的上街,这把自己表达意愿的门槛也降太多了。
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同言同羽 置业良晨
摆在梁警官面前有两种选择:
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第一种选择:在目前没有结束初庭量刑判决之前,认罪伏法,向被害人家属忏悔,和控方达成协议,或许可以争取到法官的减刑。再通过舆论压力和赔偿受害人家属,以及交一定的保释金,争取到被害人家属谅解,并且能够获得保释,这样,他在监狱服刑的时间不会超过三年。5 t6 G# ~8 {3 ^6 I( t- o
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这个选择的优点是被告和原告双方,包括华人社会的社会层面,都大体可以接受,梁警官也摆脱了被重判入狱,在监狱的时间不会长,而且如果获得保释的话,很快就会回到社会,重新生活。
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缺点是,梁警官的罪名是脱不掉了,他将一辈子背着这个罪名。而且,这个案例会给以后相似的案件带来先例,对警察来说,相当不利,特别是对于争取平权和正义的华裔来说,可能无法接受。
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第二种选择:上诉到州最高法院,让法院重新审核最低法院的审议程序,并且提出新的对梁警官有利的证据,能够证明梁警官开枪合理。争取最高法院促成低级法院重新审理该案件。
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这个选择的优点是,如果胜利,能够让梁警官摆脱罪名,彻底无罪释放。这是大部分华裔最希望看到的结局。( Y4 u2 m4 i. x/ B

1 a2 L0 U( {" _. ^, U% b3 d缺点是,胜利希望非常渺茫,而且失败的活,由于在初审没有认罪而继续上诉,被法官重判量刑的可能性非常高。
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如果真的要豁出去了,拼个鱼死网破,不妨采用第二种选择,或许有一线机会。3 d, ~8 o0 I5 S. g
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如果为了和谐,省事宁人,见好就收,稳重一点,第一种选择也不失是一个最佳选择。
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/ q" m/ a5 h- w8 J: N; R摆在梁警官面前有两种选择:
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9 l" O) J5 ?+ k9 L2 }4 T+ Y第一种选择:在目前没有结束初庭量刑判决之前,认罪伏法,向被害人家属忏悔 ...
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您是完全没明白怎么回事就掺和啊。游行华裔认为全部5个罪成立判的重,而不是要求无罪释放。. \# H# s9 F( V
楼主转的这个分不清18个月和2年那个大的帖子就是想说5个罪都是应该的。
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# e* z5 f/ [  c; s( L7 E' c您是完全没明白怎么回事就掺和啊。游行华裔认为全部5个罪成立判的重,而不是要求无罪释放。7 T+ x$ e( F$ X6 Z2 Q& |( w
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0 b" }0 [% n0 Z( V" r% H- Z: s& u游行能够起到的作用非常有限,充其量,不过是闹一闹,发泄一下情绪而已。美国司法的独立性,总统不能管,游行当然也管不了。
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要解决问题,无论是减少罪名,减刑,还是无罪释放,都必须通过法律程序来进行。! m8 W; S: F/ b0 i1 H+ a6 c

9 g' D3 f6 f( m& A与其质疑楼主主帖的技术性问题,不如想一想如何面对现实问题的解决方法。
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youngguncn 发表于 2016-2-23 00:21
+ A+ ~9 v- U; z$ C4 f你能不能像个人类一样思考问题。
4 ]  n5 E3 q3 t8 q6 E! \/ S一辈子开过十几枪就跑来装逼的听见枪响直接拉裤子里也说不定。当了一年 ...
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秀完了无知,接着还秀文盲?真是芳草天啊,呵呵3 ]% U3 D1 j2 A8 O8 [
“刚开始中枪可能不知道,你TM都要挂了还跟个虎逼似的不呼救?”
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“It is reported that Gurley actually ran after hearing the gunshot, and didn’t realize that he was bleeding until collapsing on the fifth floor”
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) J% t' O) {: S1 e  A7 f, u人家都说了,这小黑在跑到五楼倒地之前都不知道中枪了,然后就是人都晕过去了,还喊什么喊?
3 y$ P3 |! O& a: \1 a8 I你是真文盲?还是三个代表学的太好,连死去的小黑都代表了?
/ {* |/ d- f1 Z* w; M. g警察经过训练之后也是人,在八楼听不见五楼太正常了。7 ?7 c- M- ^6 d3 j' [
”甚至抛开警察这层皮不谈“?呵呵
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连基本事实都搞不清楚,基本常识都没有,胡扯个啥?0 |. o! a' E$ t; {* ]7 P
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您脑子就是一团浆糊,纽约警察手册里写的很清楚,就是如果警察对自己技术没信心,可以马上叫911.
8 F: ~, d( y9 y& l4 @# f当时在场的人还有小梁的同伴,一个白人警察,他也没及时救人,如果你的狗屁理论成立,岂不是这白人警察也得坐牢?5 ?1 K) l5 k- ]
你接下来还想表演点啥?秀您那厚脸皮?
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贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-23 09:45
& \! b6 L8 E& i1 U秀完了无知,接着还秀文盲?真是芳草天啊,呵呵
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你能2成这样也真是罕见,双亲关系得多近才能生出你这样的SB。* n* i& U) B+ I' P

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At about 11 o’clock on the night of Nov. 20, 2014, Melissa Lopez was in her kitchen in the Louis H. Pink Houses in East New York. Her partner was getting ready for his workday, which started at midnight, and her two girls were in their rooms.) o3 P7 _" _+ ~, O
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& d$ s% L6 ]  M4 e& b# W: ~“I paused for a second; me and my husband looked at each other,” she testified Monday in State Supreme Court in Brooklyn. When she looked through the peephole, she saw a woman she knew from the building, Melissa Butler.
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0 v- z! F$ j5 I1 Z6 x“I saw her standing there, crying, asking for help, her hands all bloody,” Ms. Lopez said, holding her palms up. The woman’s boyfriend, Akai Gurley, had just been shot by Peter Liang, a New York police officer on duty.# U1 c( v. R9 j  U

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. ^1 U3 O  w0 zOn Monday, the trial of Officer Liang began before Justice Danny K. Chun, and Ms. Lopez was called as the second witness. Officer Liang, 28, is charged with manslaughter in the fatal shooting of Mr. Gurley, 28, who was walking unarmed with Ms. Butler in the stairwell of the housing project in Brooklyn.& `: F) |. a: Y! ~; g5 g

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“Akai Gurley is dead today because he crossed paths with Peter Liang, who is sitting here,” Marc J. Fliedner, a prosecutor who is the chief of the civil rights bureau at the Brooklyn district attorney’s office, said in his opening statement, which at one point found him on his knees, demonstrating how Ms. Butler had bent over Mr. Gurley’s body.
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The prosecution argues that Officer Liang was reckless and violated his training by having his gun out, pulling the trigger with no reason, and neglecting to help Mr. Gurley once he realized the man had been shot. The officer was “worried only about himself,” Mr. Fliedner said, adding, “Instead of calling for help he just stood there, whined and moaned about how he would get fired.”
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  f- i& }* s5 ?, a' O* yThe defense says that Officer Liang was working in a dangerous housing project, and that he was already upset when he accidentally fired his gun. When he realized he had hit someone, he was so shocked that he had to be taken to the hospital.
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Mr. Fliedner asked if Officer Liang was crying or having difficulty standing. Ms. Lopez said, “No.”6 _0 C7 j/ A+ E! i& M) Z
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1 f: r* ]( L1 p“Was the Asian officer there when she said that?” Mr. Fliedner asked.
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7 O. J* j7 I1 f- @“He walked around them and came down the stairs,” she said.# d) D4 G- r9 x* R4 G! r* p8 x

% Q2 F; P2 j' Z  P' o5 dWhen other officers arrived, Ms. Lopez said, she saw someone who seemed to be Officer Liang’s superior, and overheard Officer Liang saying, “I shot him accidentally,” she testified.
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1 J+ F9 Z8 _9 S* L- _“You need to understand, there was nothing threatening,” Mr. Fliedner said in his opening statement. “His partner’s gun stayed in his holster the whole time.”
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1 q/ l5 g2 c2 g0 m6 S( L2 B4 KOfficer Liang was “beside himself” once “the gun accidentally discharges,” Ms. Koshetz said. He and his partner, Officer Shaun Landau spoke for “at most a couple of minutes,” she added, and Officer Liang was “shaken, he’s terrified, he’s totally — and I mean totally — unaware” that he had hit someone.9 B- P$ [& a' i$ m3 R5 b$ X
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When Officer Liang realized what had happened, he tried to radio for help but could not, his lawyer said: “His ears are ringing, he’s hyperventilating. By the time the first police supervisor arrives, Peter is unable to communicate except to say, ‘I shot Akai Gurley by accident.’ ” An ambulance took Officer Liang to the hospital.
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' \/ z2 b/ J+ X& N' \4 Z- R+ dOutside the courthouse Monday, members of Mr. Gurley’s family briefly addressed the press. “Peter Liang, you don’t live in public housing, but other people do. Why would you have your gun out in a place where people live?” said Mesha Joseph, a cousin. “Why were you scared in a place where people live? Scared enough to have your weapon drawn?”
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youngguncn 发表于 2016-2-23 11:17
% y2 z& I5 \. Z6 m3 ]4 C: r你能2成这样也真是罕见,双亲关系得多近才能生出你这样的SB。& Q8 Q1 V+ ^2 s
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文盲就是搞笑,你贴出来的东西写了啥?你看明白了吗?
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6 v3 }! f) }0 ^: b3 ]7 ?Rae Downes Koshetz, a lawyer for Officer Liang, described his work that night as being in “the most crime-ridden public housing project in New York.” She said Officer Liang, who was working overtime after a nearby shooting, headed to the roof, “the most dangerous place in a dangerous place.”* ”
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4 w8 x  q9 V$ l2 g" o* y# a这段辩护律师说的啥意思?
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还有这段证人说得:
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1 i0 A" q: E; o0 l  P! ~+ Y“Nothing. He didn’t do nothing the whole time,” Ms. Lopez said. “I didn’t see neither one of them do anything.”
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不仅小梁没救人,其它警察也没救人。看懂了吗?6 f" u5 p* @5 U5 F* i, n

  J5 X8 f* A! v2 Y( s+ A7 Y您这样的没教养的文盲,真给您父母丢人啊。
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0 T- V) b* Z0 O( i* A9 P6 x+ y“The wounded man actually ran for his life after hearing the gunshot, and didn’t realize he was bleeding until collapsing on the fifth floor”
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贾佃工 发表于 2016-2-23 09:45
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